Wednesday, 13 August 2008

Is Leonard Cohen the greatest songwriter of the 20th Century?



If your answer is "no", you'd better have some pretty good arguments to back that up, buddy.

13 comments:

Persephone said...

I suppose it's a matter of taste in the end, but are you really saying that Leonard Cohen is better than Cole Porter? Lennon or McCartney? L.C.'s fellow Canuck, the lyrically complex, musically surprising Joni Mitchell? I'm just sayin'...

Marie said...

I will grant you Cole Porter as a possible equal, but our Len stomps all over Lennon and McC. Joni Mitchell I am surprisingly unfamiliar with (I only know four or five of her songs.)

Persephone said...

Oh dear. You need to rectify that. I know you know "River" and you have to know "Both Sides Now", but do you know: "Gallery", "Sire of Sorrow", "Come in from the Cold", "Carrie" and "Urge for Going"? (All just as a bare minimum.)

And you have to know "A Case of You". You just have to...

(As an aside, I was gift-shopping for a friend who has had a significant birthday yesterday. Mulling over possibilities, I suddenly realized: "I'm in an independent bookshop!" So I asked an assistant and she said they only had Gods Behaving Badly in hard cover; the soft cover doesn't come out until October. But she's a good friend and it's a significant birthday, and I figure I'm helping finance your field trips to The Globe.

Anonymous said...

Have you seen him on his current tour? If not, you must. It would even make going to the bloody O2 worth it.

He's certainly up there with top ones. I find it hard to choose between Len and Tom Waits.

Anonymous said...

Why has no one mentioned Bob Dylan?

Anonymous said...

I'm a hard core Cohen fan so agreeing with the proposition at hand, ie, "Leonard Cohen is the greatest songwriter of the 20th Century," is the easy part. I'm actually writing to expand on a tangent that may fall in the "Everybody Knows" category, but just in case... (Why? Because I think it's kinda interesting, that's why.) The widely accepted story is that Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen had a fling in the 1960s that, for unspecified reasons, was short-lived, with Cohen instigating the parting. Mitchell’s "Rainy Night House" is said to be her farewell account of that liaison. The second verse is poignantly bittersweet:
I am from the Sunday school
I sing soprano in the upstairs choir
You are a holy man
On the FM radio
I sat up all the night and watched thee
To see, who in the world you might be

There are good indications that at least two other Joni Mitchell songs, "That Song About The Midway" and "The Gallery" with Cohen as their subject. These lyrics, to my ear, seem more bitter than sweet. Finally, some hold that "A Case Of You" is also about Leonard Cohen. I posted about their connection at Leonard Cohen and Joni Mitchell: Just One Of Those Things. I also posted a comparison of the songs each wrote called "Winter Ladies," at Dueling Winter Ladies

Anonymous said...

Cohen has the quality but not the quantity. A bit like Bowie, his good stuff is brilliant, his average stuff is almost unlistenable. Boringly, I think it's hard to go past Dylan and Beatles:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcn-I9gRj7I

Anonymous said...

Yes Marie I agree with having to know"A case of you" The album is "Blue" Also please try to get hold of the "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" Hear "In France they kiss on Main Street" "Edith and the King Pin" Please!
Yep though....LC is sublime!
Don't forget Dylan...although maybe you want to ???

Marie said...

I appreciate Dylan. I just don't love Dylan.

Anonymous said...

I'd say so - have been saying so the last 25 years+.

It was a real blow not to see him on tour this year (or ever yet) - I'm hoping there'll be another year yet.

Bro said...

Mmmm... your list only includes English-speaking composers. For me the greatest composer has to be Francis Cabrel (as long as he sticks to French - his English and Spanish adventures are sub-par).

Anonymous said...

Paddy Mcaloon is a god like genius
Listento the whole of Steve McQueen and Jorden the comeback and prepare to swoon
and for a bit more controversy - Dylan most overated artist of the 20th century!

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Anonymous said...

Here's my pretty good argument in two words: Cole Porter.